SkyFire Browser Beats the Pants Off the iPhone -- No Foolin'

[Tigerz]

SkyFire Browser Beats the Pants Off the iPhone -- No Foolin'
By Dieter Bohn
Posted on January 28, 2008 8:20 AM


I had a chance to get a demo of the upcoming SkyFire browser (over Skype) last week and I gotta tell you - it's hot. Here's the skinny - it's currently in private beta with a public beta planned for later this quarter. It works on Windows Mobile Pro and Standard (and Symbian, hush), and it's really, really awesome. As in, “my envy for the iPhone's browser may soon be coming to an end” kind of awesome.

Here's how it works - it's a server-side solution (more on that inside) based on Gecko (same bits behind Firefox's rendering). Basically everything gets rendered on the server and then sent out to your phone. That solves some of the processor / speed issues, but it also adds more benefits, like full AJAX, Flash, Javascript, you name it. I watched the browser instantly load an embedded YouTube video (from a random page on our site) and start playing with nary a jag and nary a lag -- this over a UMTS connection, mind you.

The SkyFire teams told me “Our goal is that if Firefox can render it, then your Windows Mobile phone will render it the exact same way.”

There more, including a screenshot gallery, after the break!

For the first time ever, smartphone
users can experience the “real Web” to access and interact with any Web
site built with any Web technology, including dynamic Flash, advanced Ajax,
Java and more - at the same speeds they are accustomed to on their PC -


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Screenshots
http://www.wmexperts.com/Skyfire_Googlemaps.jpg
http://www.wmexperts.com/articleimages/2008/01/Skyfire_ESPN.jpg



Server Side is Awesome / Not Awesome
So the benefit of having 90% of the work on a server is you get snappy rendering, full support for basically any web standard, and fast downloads. You get the desktop browser pushed out to your phone.

The downside - that server best stay up, hey? It also best keep your data secure and private (SkyFire says that's been their #1 priority, even in their early betas). Lastly, though, server's ain't free. SkyFire hasn't settled on a pricing model yet, but they're leaning towards ads before subscriptions to keep the service free. The company was keen to show me their portal - which pulls from multiple search engines - so that's probably going to be part of the model.

The Software Itself
One .cab file for the browser, that's all you install to get full Flash, AJAX (the thing can handle the craziest of Google Maps/Apps AJAX), etc. Since it's all handled server-side

The SkyFire browser has all the necessary zoom and bookmark features you'd expect from a browser of this sort. It also has a “fit to screen” feature -- but with a neat difference. Instead of re-rendering the entire webpage to fit your screen, it actually just renders the different sections of text to fit your screen in place. So you still get the basic layout of the site, but when you zoom into a piece of text to read it you know it will be set to the right width for comfortable reading at your mobile's resolution.

...It's about time we had a browser that's not only competitive with the iPhones, but that beats it in several categories. The fact that it's all server-side is the real story here, though, as that's SkyFire's greatest strength and weakness.

EDIT: somehow i forgot to post this so heres the youtube viseo:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4mWUoxiLZFc

[D/\SH]

wow this looks bad ass and very promising cant wait until that public release comes out beta wise. i will be the first to find out and i will get you the notice for all the members here at Wckediden so they can try it before all the slots are filled.

[Tigerz]

youtube video added to the first post SWEEEEEEET

[mkeezy]

i signed up! hope the beta comes out soon so i can put this lil daddy on my touch :)

[Tigerz]

You can sign up for the private beta at http://www.skyfire.com

[Hot Boy]

Does anyone no exactly when the skyfire browser beta is coming out
or the skyfire browser

[D/\SH]

Does anyone no exactly when the skyfire browser beta is coming out
or the skyfire browser

ummm no clue but should be soon since the beta sign up has been open for a while.

[Galerius]

Texts have been sent out for the download. Apparently the Beta is on....

Still waiting for mine :yahoo:

[D/\SH]

Texts have been sent out for the download. Apparently the Beta is on....

Still waiting for mine :yahoo:

waiting for mine too thanks for the update bro.

[mmxer]

Yeah I read on other Forums people have gotten it all ready. I havent recieved my 2nd email yet :triste: Hopefully it will be available for DL.

[D/\SH]

Yeah I read on other Forums people have gotten it all ready. I havent recieved my 2nd email yet :triste: Hopefully it will be available for DL.

im still waiting inpatiently for my text message from them also, i cant wait to get this bad boy and take her for a spin.

[I930 KING]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! thats sick cant wight un tell i get mine

[Tigerz]

yae lol im still waiting for mine they should be coming soon

[mmxer]

No luck for me... Did anyone get lucky?

[D/\SH]

No luck for me... Did anyone get lucky?

not yet for me only a few have so far i think that they are having problems with the texts right now so we will have to be patient i guess.

[Dooper]

Man, I've been drooling over this Browser ever since I seen it in action on YouTube... Hopefully we get it.

[kaos]

lets see if anyone can make this happen. I got my hands on the cab..Its installed but it gives error phone number doesn't match registered members list. Hopefully someone can crack it for us.Cause i took got a sms.But mine said they were filled at this time.So lets crack it.lol

[D/\SH]

lets see if anyone can make this happen. I got my hands on the cab..Its installed but it gives error phone number doesn't match registered members list. Hopefully someone can crack it for us.Cause i took got a sms.But mine said they were filled at this time.So lets crack it.lol

I've taken a look at SkyFire & it doesn't look good. It's not possible to force authorization as it depends on a secret PGP keypair shared between the activation server & the device. A meet in the middle attack would be our next best bet but this is not guaranteed as they're using SSL to encrypt the packets flowing between.

Even if the app were cracked to force successful authorization on the client side it would just freeze & wait for a non-existent response from the authorization server. A crucial part of the activation would be that it compares the IP of the client to determine their geographical location & any place outside the US results in an "Invalid authorization" response.

Another possibility is to access the server through a tunnelling exploit but this highly depends on the configuration of the server itself. I doubt that they'd leave this channel open.

Also something interesting to ponder:
Code:
.rdata:0007BA0C aReset DCB "Reset",0 ; DATA XREF: .text:off_28DE0o
.rdata:0007BA12 ALIGN 8
.rdata:0007BA18 aScheduledAHard unicode 0, <Scheduled a hard reset for tstamp=%d>,0
.rdata:0007BA18 ; DATA XREF: .text:off_292BCo
This is a debug message that would not be displayed to the end-user so there exists a condition where it secretly schedules a hard-reset of the client's device. Nice going, SkyFire :lol:

[Hot Boy]

i have also been getting the same message as kaos wen i try to go onto the skyfire browser
help:40:

[D/\SH]

i have also been getting the same message as kaos wen i try to go onto the skyfire browser
help:40:

wow read the thread come on look at the post above yours that expalins it for you.

[Dooper]

Let's all stop being impatient and just wait.

[rico002]

i got my text and it sends me a link to activate but then it says "your mobile is not currently supported by skyfire" =(

[D/\SH]

i got my text and it sends me a link to activate but then it says "your mobile is not currently supported by skyfire" =(

lucky you... it should work since you are on WM6 and all. i hope that when you filled out the beta form you put the right info in for your os. thats the only reason why i could think of this happening to you.

[Galerius]

So...

I am sitting at my PC at almost 2AM EST and decide "I am going to register my fiance's phone as well."

It took 10 minutes for her to get her beta confirmation.

I put my in quite a while back and still NOTHING.

Can I forward her text to me and download it on my phone...hmm I wonder.

I also wonder if area codes matter. Hers is still a NY prefix, where we are originally from where mine is a TN prefix where we live now....

Who knows. Either way I am going to get to play around with it and that makes me happy.

:yahoo:

[D/\SH]

So...

I am sitting at my PC at almost 2AM EST and decide "I am going to register my fiance's phone as well."

It took 10 minutes for her to get her beta confirmation.

I put my in quite a while back and still NOTHING.

Can I forward her text to me and download it on my phone...hmm I wonder.

I also wonder if area codes matter. Hers is still a NY prefix, where we are originally from where mine is a TN prefix where we live now....

Who knows. Either way I am going to get to play around with it and that makes me happy.

:yahoo:

damn thats bs i registered on the first day that you could and still havent got mine. thay better get on there shit soon and send the texts out to those of us who registered first and than wait for the newer ones till last.

[pimpinhobo08]

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid980795693/bctid1392526688
this video actually shows the iphone browser gettin beat.. :brows:

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid980795693/bctid1392526688
this video actually shows the iphone browser gettin beat.. :brows:

that was awesome. i love that browser. when are they going to let the rest of us get it?


also is it only going be free for a certain amount of time are they going to charge at one point in time or something?


i hope it remains forever free. i think they can do it since its one of a kind all they need is like sponsors or something like that to make it free!??

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

So...

I am sitting at my PC at almost 2AM EST and decide "I am going to register my fiance's phone as well."

It took 10 minutes for her to get her beta confirmation.

I put my in quite a while back and still NOTHING.

Can I forward her text to me and download it on my phone...hmm I wonder.

I also wonder if area codes matter. Hers is still a NY prefix, where we are originally from where mine is a TN prefix where we live now....

Who knows. Either way I am going to get to play around with it and that makes me happy.

:yahoo:



was the link to just let you know that they got your request or was the link to the program? because i got a link sent to me right away to right now when i signed up. i think everyone did. but not everyone got the ability to download the program.

[getnmoney]

found beta here... http://rapidshare.com/files/90304911/Sky_Browser.cab

cant get it c#####d tho... automatically looks fpr registered phone numbers... i registered for beta 2. no word on download yet/

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

found beta here... http://rapidshare.com/files/90304911/Sky_Browser.cab

cant get it c#####d tho... automatically looks fpr registered phone numbers... i registered for beta 2. no word on download yet/

yes there is an browser around but you need the beta code for it. but thanks.

[Raingod]

This looks awesome. I signed up for Beta 2. I can't wait to try this out!

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

This looks awesome. I signed up for Beta 2. I can't wait to try this out!

thats not right there is already another one out when all of us that signed up for the first one have not got it.

oh well maybe we will have better luck with this one.


let us know what happens if you get it.

thanks.

Capone.

[bowser001]

hey guys hopefully this sheds some light on a possible download date for the skyfire beta 1...

We appreciate your enthusiasm and we're anxious to get you into our private beta. We are inviting people who signed up for our beta program to download the Skyfire beta 0.5 at a measured pace and that is why you have not yet received the SMS to download. All Beta 1 users will be invited into the program by the end of April.

In regards to your questions about trying to register for beta 2, it is not necessary to do that since all beta 1 users will continue into beta 2 when it launches towards the later part of this year. Additionally, you didn't receive the original SMS to verify your registration because you signed up before we implemented the SMS to verify beta registrations.

We will notify you both by email and by SMS as soon as there is room for you in the beta program. Please be sure that when you signed up for the beta program you entered the mobile phone number you want to download Skyfire on. We need that mobile phone number to notify you when its your turn to download. We ask for just a little patience.

To stay up to date about whats happening here, you can read our blog. You can also refer to our FAQ.
Thanks,
The Skyfire Team

[Psycho]

I want to try this sooooo bad! hopefully i will be able to get into beta 2

[kaos]

I want to try this sooooo bad! hopefully i will be able to get into beta 2

lol keep hope alive...i signed up same day as dash for beta one then on beta 2...got text messages as well..but still no go on beta versions.....:097:

[TOUCHED]

soo Tyte

[nsxracir]

FINALLY got the beta (0.6) sent to my phone. I signed up in early march and the rumors are true. This browser is off the hook. Everything works, including javascripts, embedded flash, etc. Def leaves PIE and Opera in the dark. My only complaint is that start up times for the browser are kinda slow... and sometimes it fails to connect to the skyfire severs (still a beta). But overall, def worth the wait. :yahoo:

[blink182fka6]

this browser is pretty sick. you can even go to south park zone and watch all the south park you want, just wish it was a bit more finger friendly

[(K)rebel]

Damn!! I need this in my life. I signed up for the beta a while back and recieve an email, but no skyfire...

[TAR]

finally got this browser and it is great

[forty01]

I received mine about a couple of days ago and it works great. Went to youtube.com and it played the videos w/o a problem. I like the idea that I don't have to DL a sound before listening to it. It literally plays the video with the sound streaming, you can even mute it from the browser itself. The ability to get around and the configuration is nicely set. The one thing I did not like was the when I received a phone call and lost my internet, I was disconnected from the server and only had the option to exit. That makes it difficult to continue where you left off at. When I tried to access one of my banks it seemed to have a problem initially with me trying to put in my username and password, but on the 3rd attempt(after playing around with it a little)it highlighted a huge area and then let me enter the information in. On MySpace and other sites I did not have that problem. When I attempted to DL a Rapidshare file today it didn't want to take, but I'll try again later to see how it goes and I'll update on that. I haven't truelly tested the theory, but it seems to use the battery up alot faster when running, because constant data(server side) it being pushed through as if you were streaming videos (ie. watching MobiTV) All in all it's a Bad @$$ program.
FYI: I put in for the Beta back in the 1st wave and just received mine, so be patient, because it will come. They are a little behind with the process(based off the communication w/SkyFire), but seems to be moving along fine. Let me know if you have any direct questions you were curious about and I would be happy to test, thanks.

[forty01]

Update: The lack of tabs is a loss and at the moment I cannot download or upload items. The realease info on the website mentions the recommendation of exiting if not using, because as stated before, it will drain battery faster. Again, all in all an extremely good browser and still in beta. I just wouldn't delete all my browsers yet ;)

[rwcj63]

i got my emailed notification 3 days ago but still no text message to my phone so i can download. how long does it typically take to get the text message???

[john80hotkey]

i'v been following this browser for awhile I just got my 1st windows phone so it was to late for me to sign up for private beta, anyone heard any rumors of an official release date?

[D/\SH]

i'v been following this browser for awhile I just got my 1st windows phone so it was to late for me to sign up for private beta, anyone heard any rumors of an official release date?

you can still sign up for beta 2 if you wanted.

[VenumX]

i got my emailed notification 3 days ago but still no text message to my phone so i can download. how long does it typically take to get the text message???

you should try going to their website and changing your phone number. It's possible it was set up incorrectly.

[hurrikane15]

kan any one tell me how to get the download please

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

kan any one tell me how to get the download please

lol read the thread please.


your either lucky or your not.


thats how you get it.

[D/\SH]

lol read the thread please.


your either lucky or your not.


thats how you get it.

ROFLMAO but you have to go to www.skyfire.com and sign up for the beta and wait for them to send you the program through text message

[broSki]

word, skyfire is the shiznit, i cant get my hands off it, the download speed is amazing....
check this and dont hate lol:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/brolik1/CapScr0001-3.jpg

[D/\SH]

word, skyfire is the shiznit, i cant get my hands off it, the download speed is amazing....
check this and dont hate lol:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/brolik1/CapScr0001-3.jpg

lol nice bro taking the new screenshot app i posted and putting to use huh.

[broSki]

lol nice bro taking the new screenshot app i posted and putting to use huh.

yea i couldnt find one that isnt exe, nu2 66 rom has a major issue installing exe files but he says he is gona get that knocked out on 67.....and screenshot app is freakin awesome

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

ROFLMAO but you have to go to www.skyfire.com and sign up for the beta and wait for them to send you the program through text message


lol wat?


its true even if u go to sign up for it dont mean ur getting it. or going get it anytime soon lol.


thats why i said the way you get it is either your lucky or your not lol

[stealth-twinturbo]

I got my skyfire beta last week and i still think its kinda slow and buggy in my opinion its not as smooth as i would like but, its nice, features are great but needs video drivers and also needs to be less laggy and faster and much smoother then i would be much happier.

[MarkAtHome]

I haven't gotten my invite yet (it's overdue!), but am anxious to look at it. Does anyone know whether its speed is due to use its own servers, a la Opera Mini? That should be a concern to anyone exchanging info such as log-ins, bank info, etc., no? I'm currently using Opera Mobile for that reason.

[kaos]

got my skyfire invite finally today.Very cool I am liking it...

[Andy65OU]

I got mine today too, and like it a lot so far.. I easily like it better than the Opera that's out right now...

[(K)rebel]

Finally! I got my beta, but it is a little slower then I was expecting and there are really no settings other then history and cookies. Its very cool it see in browser videos, but they play pretty choppy.

Im using both Opera 9 and Skyfire, I think I will keep it that way for a bit. Just my 2 cents.

[D/\SH]

Finally! I got my beta, but it is a little slower then I was expecting and there are really no settings other then history and cookies. Its very cool it see in browser videos, but they play pretty choppy.

Im using both Opera 9 and Skyfire, I think I will keep it that way for a bit. Just my 2 cents.

huh i dont understand why the play is choppy for some users mine strams very nicely and doesnt get choppy on me at all....

[moneybaggs24]

I got my skyfire beta to days ago and i still think its kinda slow and buggy in my opinion its not as smooth as i would like but, its nice, features are great but needs video drivers and also needs to be less laggy and faster and much smoother then i would be much happier.

[broSki]

I got my skyfire beta to days ago and i still think its kinda slow and buggy in my opinion its not as smooth as i would like but, its nice, features are great but needs video drivers and also needs to be less laggy and faster and much smoother then i would be much happier.

slow???? you serious, why dont u test out running a full pc website thru pie, and then thru skyfire...and then tell me which one is kinda slow lol...and also remember its a beta which means test verions.

[(K)rebel]

I keep getting a "connection lost" message when I sign on. Is anyone else having this issue?

[D/\SH]

I keep getting a "connection lost" message when I sign on. Is anyone else having this issue?

pe having no troubles... .make sure you are in an area with good signal.connection.

[Tugboat]

I was checking out Skyfire on Youtube and it looks pretty darn good. How long til they get past Beta testing? What's the next best one down from Skyfire if you had to make a choice?

[Andy65OU]

I was checking out Skyfire on Youtube and it looks pretty darn good. How long til they get past Beta testing? What's the next best one down from Skyfire if you had to make a choice?

I was using the Opera Browser before getting the Skyfire Beta, and it was working pretty well for me...

I was playing with the Skyfire Browser last night while waiting for my nephew's graduation to finish, and I couldn't believe how fast the speed of it was even though I wasn't in a wifi area... And it's obviously only going to get better in the future..

[AlvinJue]

Skyfire is good but i still prefer Opera. Skyfire feels a tad bit slower and the youtube is sort of slow for me. Or maybe its just my phone

[D/\SH]

Skyfire is good but i still prefer Opera. Skyfire feels a tad bit slower and the youtube is sort of slow for me. Or maybe its just my phone

huh odd mine is blazing fast and the video streaming isnt choppy at all and is actually quick as hell!!! thank god for REV A

[(K)rebel]

huh odd mine is blazing fast and the video streaming isnt choppy at all and is actually quick as hell!!! thank god for REV A

I was going to say, I am not running REV A. So thats probably why it runs slow for me. Im gonna try to flash it tonight. Pray for me.

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

hey on the 27th i got a link for it in a text message and than i didnt notice it until after work on the 28th i clicked on it and said link expired or some shit to resign up or something like that. . .so does that mean i gotta wait again for the invite or wat?

[D/\SH]

hey on the 27th i got a link for it in a text message and than i didnt notice it until after work on the 28th i clicked on it and said link expired or some shit to resign up or something like that. . .so does that mean i gotta wait again for the invite or wat?

i would guess so i have never heard of tha happening.

[kaos]

hey on the 27th i got a link for it in a text message and than i didnt notice it until after work on the 28th i clicked on it and said link expired or some shit to resign up or something like that. . .so does that mean i gotta wait again for the invite or wat?

I got five bucks says you have opera installed.Mine did same thing.Copy paste link into internet explorer..the ppc's default browser.It should work then.

[rico002]

u kno u can just download it right....when u login on the left side it says download and then just like "to my PC"

[AL_CAPONE_X3]

I got five bucks says you have opera installed.Mine did same thing.Copy paste link into internet explorer..the ppc's default browser.It should work then.

i got opera mini installed ya. and i already did copy paste it into my ie. thats wat it did i had to copy paste since on the vito sms you cant click links =[

[rwcj63]

i had a hell of a time getting my download info after i got my initial invite. after 2 weeks of nothing (no text message telling me how to download), i emailed them 3 times and finally got a response that they had sent the text with no response, with a link to download it from pc and install.

that being said. to be brutally honest, the rendering sucks. it's much much slower than opera. also. i was surprised at the amount of sites that it won't go to. it's blocked in someway from going to speedtest websites.

you will find that while the things it can do are really cool, the drawbacks that the beta has will drive you crazy. at least they do me.

[spivey8]

man you guys are lucky, im still waiting for my link.

[meansixx]

yeah, im luvin the skyfire browser. was using opera till this came out. runs really fast.

[Dooper]

Did the Beta 2 come out yet?

[Spr0ckEt]

If so, I haven't seen my link yet.

[D/\SH]

If so, I haven't seen my link yet.

yes i have got the beta 2

[bigballsblack]

dud i jst got mine and i lov it to!!! so good i jst wish there was a mode for the vids cause there hard to see so small i wish whn u click on the vid it will go into landscape mode for the full screen:yahoo: tht would be sick!!

[PROBEX]

HAHa I finally scammed it from skyfire I only needed to get a US forwarding email account as they won't give it to canada so I tricked them... hehehe I got it and it works and "Daddy Like" :o)

[D/\SH]

HAHa I finally scammed it from skyfire I only needed to get a US forwarding email account as they won't give it to canada so I tricked them... hehehe I got it and it works and "Daddy Like" :o)

hahaha congrats probeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!! enjoy the streaming youtube.... you wont use it as a everyday broser (opera for me) but it is nice for the built in flash!!!

[ladytya]

I just got the latest Skyfire beta; it's an awesome browser for my ppc 6800! Until I do get an upgrade, I'll stick w/ this one all the way! Iris is the only other browser I might fool w/ as a second choice though it still doesn't hold a candle to Skyfire.

[NINE'SICKS]

i dont mean to post off topic but sence were talking about browsers, what was the name of the program that lets u pic k a default i.e? to set opera as my default... i know its in here but forgot the name, sorry...
oh and congrats to PROBEX, better late then never man...

[Mike20PR]

i dont mean to post off topic but sence were talking about browsers, what was the name of the program that lets u pic k a default i.e? to set opera as my default... i know its in here but forgot the name, sorry...
oh and congrats to PROBEX, better late then never man...

i saw a app just like that, i lets you choose your default browser, skyfire, opera mini, opera mobile etc. copy paste, and other features.... ill see if i can fetch it for ya

btw. LOVING SKYFIRE, but till more features are added in the next version like multi tabs, upload, download etc. im still keeping Opera Mobile

[NINE'SICKS]

whats the differnce btween opera mobile/opera mini and opera 9.5 ??

THANX!

[monkeyxiv]

opera mini is server sided to run faster but opera 9.5 is ran like other browsers off your phone for better rendering and more secure.
opera mini is java based

in short:
opera mini for quick look ups
opera 9.5 for secure browsing.

[Mike20PR]

whats the differnce btween opera mobile/opera mini and opera 9.5 ??

THANX!

i never liked opera mini... sure its really fast but its because its not a real browser, in laymans terms it takes a picture of the page and renders it to your device explaining the awesome speed and why there arent animations in page rendering, no flash eather, but its a awesome browser for fast browsing and conveniant browsing. Its java based and designed for crappy phones lol, there are no braggin rights if you have the same browser on your PPC than your buddy has in his Rumor LMAO

Opera mobile (Opera9.5... same thing unless you mean the desktop browser) is a real browser designed for a pda device, it has smoother scrolling, zooming and all the features you can find in a PC browser exept the latest flash support, but the downside is that its slow (in my opinion, that is the closest to a perfect browser available for ppc because of the ability to upload, download, multi tabbing, automatic text wrap, java script, favorites etc.) all it needs is to be faster and the latest flash for it to crush all browsers

but till then Skyfire is my favorite, fast fast fast and flash flash flash!!!! :brows:

[NINE'SICKS]

thanx, yeah i use mini to surf, and mobile to download.. and skyfire to show off !

any luck on the ap? no rush, just courious...

[Mike20PR]

thanx, yeah i use mini to surf, and mobile to download.. and skyfire to show off !

any luck on the ap? no rush, just courious...

oops sorry i forgot, find it here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382043)

[NINE'SICKS]

whitch would b best for a mogul, cuz im running kaos's **** sprint take 3... i read it but it just tells about the history, not so much what versions go to what phone...THANX MIKE

[Mike20PR]

whitch would b best for a mogul, cuz im running kaos's **** sprint take 3... i read it but it just tells about the history, not so much what versions go to what phone...THANX MIKE
download the latest version, it works universally when it comes to devices, but since it gets updated your best bet is the latest

[NINE'SICKS]

NOTHING! i trydem all and there unsuccessful ... i know we have one on our site, dash would know but **** i dont remember the name... its cool thanx mike, i read ur comment on ur ipohe interface..about my custom icons..THX!

[Mike20PR]

NOTHING! i trydem all and there unsuccessful ... i know we have one on our site, dash would know but **** i dont remember the name... its cool thanx mike, i read ur comment on ur ipohe interface..about my custom icons..THX!

oops, it says that its foe non qwerty smartphones :40: , ill snoop around to see if i can find it till dash is found

and yea i had this itch for custom icons for dwizzys theme cuz i tried when v1 was released but i got pissed cuz i couldnt trim the edges and they looked like crap LOL, but they must be 32x32 so they work with the plugin

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yeah i kinda figures 32x32, just like the hhc icons... i have the same problems to but hhc is png and the pink background doesnt show as much... i lost lots of icons i had on my other comp but im trying to make others...ill keep u posted..

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how can I download skyfire beta for my mogul 6800 I already reg. but is there a way I can get the download. thanx in advance.

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how can I download skyfire beta for my mogul 6800 I already reg. but is there a way I can get the download. thanx in advance.

use the beta code michael8 when you sign up and you should get a quick text message link to download.