“ Originally Posted by PROBEX 
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Wow thats really odd I give you credit for not giving up but I can't for the life of me see why that would fix it... hahaha crazy... nice find man I'm sure many will be happy with you for this one.
I feel so dumb man lol, I upgraded to upgrade 20 and no crashing whatsoever so problem solved, update 14 on a mogul was the suspect lol.