“ Originally Posted by D/\SH 
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if it doesnt come in the stock box with accessories and they give you a small white envelope to send the other one back in its is a refurb.... dial ##778# and click view and scroll down to the bottom of the list or close and you will see a entry called refurbishment status and you can tell if they are new ones or refurbs by that and if refurbed what day it was refurbed on.
“ Originally Posted by louiedoesit ”
yea my mine Ref on July 14 2009
Manuf date April 14 2009
Thanks guys and i got a refurb as well man wtf i wanted a new one ?